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Martin Alvito · Oct 17, 2009, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Sure, but we've already passed the October 1 deadline they set for removing HB and adding Sealed. So we have no idea if/when they will actually remove the arena.

Icy Spicy · Oct 17, 2009, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by noneedforclevernames

That is in no way a valid excuse. If someone doesn't have to work for something, then you are providing that individual a charity. Once individuals become accustomed to charity (Can happen after just one case of charity) that individual becomes dependent on third party assistance. So what kind of example does this teach to children who are becoming ever more spoiled, lazy, for the most part stupid, and unathletic?

lol wut? did u just bring up athleticism? we are talking about a game here... and teach children? how does any kind of farming in a mmo teach children?

RR doesnt need an excuse, its there, its easy, its quick, its fast money, just like all other forms of farming

Rhamia Darigaz · Oct 17, 2009, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by upier

The big question really is ... why are we so dumb that this only happens with HB?!?!?
Everything outside of of JQ and FA could work the same way!

gogo RR in AB!

I Ether I · Oct 17, 2009, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

As you are mostly all aware now (If not, where the heck have you been?) there has been a trend called Red resign day that occurs when Hero Battles is on the Zaishen Combat.

Get quest, goto HB, play rated match and zone out on landing on red team, repeat match until 2 wins, get reward, repeat quest. The results of this are MASSIVE amounts of gold, ZCoins and Zkeys coming into the game (Some reports of people getting 2 stacks of Zkeys over 24 hours)

http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?...d_Resi gn_day

It appears this has been confirmed cheating like any other form of match manipulation, and we all know what happened to Rawr as a warning shot for this behaviour during the AT.

Thing is, RR day is SO widespread now that serious banning could effectively wipe a massive chunk of the player base. My question is, what will the live team do about it?

Where have you been? There are already several threads on this. Did we really need another one?

The problem is that RR has been considered match manipulation because your changing an outcome of the matches to profit from it which is a breach of the EULA. However if this is the case the rate tanking is also match manipulation because it also is manipulating matches to benifit from it. They are both equal in their evil.

rawr doing it in an AT was just plain stupidity on their part, or incredibly arrogant.

In either case HB is dead, will be deleted and noone really cares.

If anet expects people to not exploit a faulty mechanic to gain profit from it they should realize its basic human nature to be greedy.

Now can we close this thread and stick to just 1 thread. would make it easier for the devs to read and track feedback.

DreamWind · Oct 17, 2009, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

If they do break out the ban stick, they won't be retaining many existing fans for GW2.

This is hilarious for so many reasons. First of all, I don't think it is true. But even if it is, you are claiming that Anet is at the mercy of its players which is quite sad.

So if I discovered a new duping bug, and spread it around to 100 people (which eventually gets spread to the entire community), you are saying Anet is powerless to stop us?

kupp · Oct 17, 2009, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

This is hilarious for so many reasons. First of all, I don't think it is true. But even if it is, you are claiming that Anet is at the mercy of its players which is quite sad.

So if I discovered a new duping bug, and spread it around to 100 people (which eventually gets spread to the entire community), you are saying Anet is powerless to stop us?

Altough he's exagerating, he does have a point. If they do start banning accounts permanantly over this many people definatelly won't come back for GW2. Wich is ridiculous maybe even temporarily, they let so many things slip past them that chosing that road doesn't make any sense IMO.

The difference is that they can stop us, by removing the zquest, addind dishonorable to HB, and a whole plethora of possible choices to the same effect. They simple don't. Banning people won't stop anything, at the most it'll only stop those that already abused it.

Martin Alvito · Oct 17, 2009, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

This is hilarious for so many reasons. First of all, I don't think it is true. But even if it is, you are claiming that Anet is at the mercy of its players which is quite sad.

I'm absolutely saying that ANet is at the mercy of the players. They make money selling games, right?

It's the threat of bans that reins in players. Once the player base decides to disobey the rules en masse, ANet has no ability to enforce the rules. They can't ban a large percentage of the players that still log on.

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

So if I discovered a new duping bug, and spread it around to 100 people (which eventually gets spread to the entire community), you are saying Anet is powerless to stop us?

1) You thought the dupers got banned? The *stupid* dupers got banned.
2) 100 dupers? They can ban that. If they let the dupe ride for three days and half the community used the dupe, different story.

Again, they rely on the threat of bans to deter people from duping. People know they will get banned if they dupe, so people that just want to play the game don't dupe.

Reformed · Oct 17, 2009, 11:51 PM // 23:51

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

gogo RR in AB!

I have wondered for years why this has never caught on. Allegiance titles have some of the stupidest grind available in the game for a pseudo-PvP title. Spread the word for new AB RR day?

Sankt Hallvard · Oct 17, 2009, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Reformed

I have wondered for years why this has never caught on. Allegiance titles have some of the stupidest grind available in the game for a pseudo-PvP title. Spread the word for new AB RR day?

Except that you get dishonorable for resigning in AB.

DreamWind · Oct 18, 2009, 12:02 AM // 00:02

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

I'm absolutely saying that ANet is at the mercy of the players. They make money selling games, right?

Correct, but how long are you going to last where players openly exploit the game and the company allows their game to be exploited? There are several other companies with these same problems that instaban for these issues.

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Again, they rely on the threat of bans to deter people from duping. People know they will get banned if they dupe, so people that just want to play the game don't dupe.

Which goes back to my original point...according to you there is NO threat to get banned given my original situation. I will spread the duping bug to the community and none of us will get banned. There is no threats...Anet has lost control of their own game. Hence the reason everybody RRs.

kupp · Oct 18, 2009, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Which goes back to my original point...according to you there is NO threat to get banned given my original situation. I will spread the duping bug to the community and none of us will get banned. There is no threats...Anet has lost control of their own game. Hence the reason everybody RRs.

The trick there is to fix the exploits causing the abuse and instaban the fist people who do it if it goes against the EULA. Anet did neither and know they're paying the price for it, they could have simply removed the HB zquest.

So yes regarding that you're right, Anet did lose control over their own game, but solely due to their fault. It's gotten too big and too out of hand for them to start dishing out bans.

HawkofStorms · Oct 18, 2009, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by Reformed

I have wondered for years why this has never caught on. Allegiance titles have some of the stupidest grind available in the game for a pseudo-PvP title. Spread the word for new AB RR day?

That and unlike HBs where you can control your team (since it is just YOU playing) it is impossible to get 12 PUGs to all agree and resign at once (think reporting leachers). Like that time the FA bug existed and a loss counted for a win. Even though people TRIED to resign in mass to exploit the quest, most of the time, a few people refused to resign on principle and the game played to conclusion.

FoxBat · Oct 18, 2009, 02:47 AM // 02:47

Sorry, us luxons aren't dumb enough to resign every single match.

(Except when you used to get FA quest credit for losing)

Dunda · Oct 18, 2009, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Red Resign is the reason for the ecto price rise, and in another day the price will rise even more, a newish player can farm 100-200 zkeys in a day and buy ectos and get FoW or chaos etc and around 1000+ people do it meaning they buy ectos and the farmers cant keep up so they rise price, RR is causing economy of GW to fail its actually quite sad that something so awesome could ruin it so badly, i do reckon they should make resigning two times in an hour Dishonerable account wide maybe that will help.

HawkofStorms · Oct 18, 2009, 03:29 AM // 03:29

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Originally Posted by Dunda

Red Resign is the reason for the major ecto price rise, and in another day the price will rise even more, a newish player can farm 100-200 zkeys in a day and buy ectos and get FoW or chaos etc and around 1000+ people do it meaning they buy ectos and the farmers cant keep up so they rise price, RR is causing economy of GW to fail its actually quite sad that something so awesome could ruin it so badly, i do reckon they should make resigning two times in an hour Dishonerable account wide maybe that will help.

Major? 1k fluctuation???

God, stop posting on guru just to try to stir up the ecto price by causing an intentional panic. That thread should have been closed and deleted instantly, just like all other price manipulation schemes of the past have been.

byteme! · Oct 18, 2009, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by Dunda

Red Resign is the reason for the ecto price rise, and in another day the price will rise even more, a newish player can farm 100-200 zkeys in a day and buy ectos and get FoW or chaos etc and around 1000+ people do it meaning they buy ectos and the farmers cant keep up so they rise price, RR is causing economy of GW to fail its actually quite sad that something so awesome could ruin it so badly, i do reckon they should make resigning two times in an hour Dishonerable account wide maybe that will help.

Ectos used to cost 15k+ each. You are panicking over nothing.

Reformed · Oct 18, 2009, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

...it is impossible to get 12 PUGs to all agree and resign at once (think reporting leachers).

This is a great point tbh, it's like herding cats.

refer · Oct 18, 2009, 08:12 AM // 08:12

Each team should be blue, but the other team should look red to them. Then they will get into arguments about who should leave when it's technically neither/both of them.

Bob Slydell · Oct 18, 2009, 08:28 AM // 08:28

So tell me what happens if I go do some HB **innocently** with a good team of heroes, and I happen to **innocently** have the ZQ, and I just happen to enter battle and just happen to not resign if I am red and **innocently** play like the good player should during the RR day? The blue side will get pissed off and leave..correct? Because I'm willing to bet the blue side will 99% of the time shout obscenities and leave..but what else will they do? Taking into account the idiots who do stuff in this game I'm willin to bet they threw a crappy team together and wouldn't survive even if they came after me for not resigning, and I have the well built team. Now..If I am on blue? The red guy will resign 99% of the time, the chance of me joining in with someone just like me will be low but it would still suck. In the end I win even more than a ZQ because I'm not looked at as exploiting and manipulating a match. Hmm...

Tell me what you think of my master evil plan.

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tw1tchdp · Oct 18, 2009, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Funny, haven't met a red that resigned yet. Still 100% victory at the moment, PvE'rs can't PvP </3.

lmao, if you can call HB pvp at all.